Friday, January 30, 2009




JANUARY SUGGESTIONS We would love your suggestion that will improve our Village. Suggestions may be viewed by those visiting. We will renew the display each month. Anonymous are welcomed. So throw one in the box.

111 comments:

Anonymous said...

No one wants to talk about cable? From what I hear there are(or WERE, at the very least) SEVERAL who don't have any cable! Time Warner is not 100% yet (they don't have super-human powers) and MN has ticked Arroyo off to the point where they refuse to continue service after the 1st of the year.

Funny how when the GM makes a mistake we're on it like flies on doo-doo but when one of the "fab five" make one it doesn't even get mentioned!

Anonymous said...

If you really want to know about the Time Warner process, the GM did not have the park 'flagged' (which he was asked to do) for the Cable Venture contractor to be able to lay the cable lines, so Cable Ventures had to wait for that to happen. So don't blame Time Warner or MN. Once again it was management not doing what he was supposed to do.

Anonymous said...

What are you talking about? MN didn't tick anyone off. If you check the minutes...MN voted to keep Arroyo. The majority of the BOD voted to go with Time Warner (including PB, LM, & MS). Yes, the people who wanted to change to TW are impatient for the new service, but it certainly isn't MN's fault. If truth be told, our GM refused to address any of the TM issues & once again shirked his duties and told me to call MN. MN returned my call & explained, to the best of her ability what the problem was. I have never received this courtesy when dealing with the GM.

Anonymous said...

Time Warner is great... Not a rip off like our last hand picked and recommended cable company. Oh it was the GM that picked them... Hummm.
Enough of that and blame. Talk is cheap.
Look for yourself at the high grass, mess on the roadways from out of control contractors and oh yes,What loses $57,000 dollars a year-- our restaurant.
Is the restaurants manager really the GM's son in law? Why would he not disclose it to us. What does the Aramark Ethics policy say about that among other things?
Stay tuned.. Coming soon the Aramark employee ethics rules and policy complaint and investigation phone numbers.

Anonymous said...

Joey....What is that please in the top picture in the bottom of the pool?

Joey said...

That is the drain we were told we didn't have in our outdoor pool.

Anonymous said...

What a wonderful thing freedom of speech is! It's great that the LIV residents have an outlet to share their opinions without having to worry about repercussions from others.
Come on people say what you feel. Joey does a great job allowing opinions to be out there.
Keep up the good work.
I love this BLOG!

Anonymous said...

If Anonymous #1 checks facts, the contract with Arroyo Cable EXPIRED as of midnite 12/31/2008. Get it right just for once!

Anonymous said...

lets see? Larry has been here 4 years? Arroyo 10 years and he gets the blame for anything they did or didn't do?

Anonymous said...

Our Gm may not be the cause of certain things, but when this guy tells our board and the people of our Park one thing and it is not true, we as owners have a problem. You can sit around and find things he's done wrong, but misleading the people who pay his wages is unforgivable. How long would you have an employee work for you when you can't rely on him telling you the whole truth? Not four years I bet.

Anonymous said...

A chalange to the LD defenders:
What about Les?
Who recommended him?
Who is his father in law?
Did LD disclose that fact to the BOD when they made their choise to hire him.

As promised the following is the Phone # at Aramark for as they call it "your question and concerns, Business Conduct Policy"
1-800-999-8989, ext 8833 and you may do this anonymously if you wish.
The above taken from the Aramark employee ethics policy manual.

Anonymous said...

I knew we could find a way to make it all Larry's fault. Good job! Yeah we knew that the contract with Arroyo expired. That's the whole reason we were able to GET Time Warner! We've been waiting for this moment for years!

Oh, and when it comes to misleading people...tellin' our board and the people one thing and it is not true...what about when MND said, "Time Warner will be 100% by Jan 1 and Arroyo will continue our service until then."?

Who's misleadin' who?

Anonymous said...

Now that I finaly have the cable as of Jan 5 it is much better than the old one. I would like to hang someone up by the balls for missing all the bowl games. The cable guy was about 5 min from a hookup on my unit when they left at 2:45 on 12/31.

Anonymous said...

RE: Oh, and when it comes to misleading people

MND specifically said not to hold her to it but that Time Warner assured her that they should be at 100% by Jan 1st, a far cry from telling the people a flat out lie. Try again. By the way, isn’t that the GM’s job anyway, to oversee policy handed down from the Board?

Anonymous said...

Please end the rumor that Les is the son in law of Larry. It is unbelievable that this keeps being mentioned in this blog!

Anonymous said...

Some of you seem to be missing the point. The point is..Larry is an employee. As an employee, if the BOD votes in Time Warner then it is his job to work with them. MND was assigned a job to research T.V. options. She did her job. The BOD voted to bring in T.W. It is no ones fault that Arroyo Cable objects to this decision. It is LD's job to make the transition as smooth as possible. It is not his fault it didn't go as expected, but he should never have refused to work with them & refused to take complaints. That is what we pay him for. Why in the world would anyone blame MND? She was just the messanger.

Anonymous said...

How much work should we EXPECT on 12/31? They tried to get as much done as they could...

I don't blame MND for it. Don't blame LARRY, either.

HOWEVER, I certainly hope MND is working with Time Warner to get us a discount since they didn't hold on to their end of the bargain. If she doesn't, let's don't blame Larry for that expense, too.

Anonymous said...

It is my understanding that Time/Warner starts getting paid Jan 20 so it seems Time/Warner is not in violation. Too bad the contract isn't readily available for viewing. I also understand that the board wasn't even allowed to see the contract before being signed. I wonder is a lawyer reviewed it?

Anonymous said...

OK, what's done is done. Time Warner is working to get cable established.
*We don't have information about bundles
*It was not completed before Jan 1
SO WHAT??? BIG DEAL!!!
It will happen when it happens!
Get over it! Stop blaming and demanding! If you haven't figured out by now, nothing is going to change.

Anonymous said...

any news on the COWEN PLANS?

Anonymous said...

Hello Joey,
I have been a Reader and I am not sure why some of these folks came down here-- when they are so UNHAPPY With everyone and everything that was HERE when they got here..They can always leave and go play in the Snow.
I belive you are doing a great job
and wanted to say Thanks for being here and listening to all the complants and very little THANKS .
so A BIG THANK YOU FOR THE EAR!
BJW.

Anonymous said...

Hey Joey:
I really like your new format! It is easier to use and you can get a good over view without having to scroll so much...wouldn't want to strain myself too much! LOL! Thanks for doing such a good job. Cheers

Anonymous said...

It's on the markee that Channel 18 is the new Park Info Channel

Anonymous said...

To BJW: I know you must find change hard but if a tree does'nt bend in the wind it will break.
This LIV of ours needs to bend and only the ignorant keep the blinders on, change will occur. Sometime the truth hurts.

Anonymous said...

I want to comment on a beef I have had for a long time but keep thinking it will get better.Wrong!
I just returned from paying my assoc. dues and instead of calling it a welcome center we should call it the grumpy center. When one walks in the door there should be a positive greeting and a may I help you instead of what do you want type attitude. If it was an occasional event I could accept it but this is every time. The last time I was in there our wonderful ? Gm was there and he couldn't even say hello . Should we expect more of the folks giving the public their first impression of our great village? I should think so but until we have new management I don't think it will happen.

Anonymous said...

sounds like things are toning down here in our village..

Welcome Winter Texans..

Anonymous said...

My suggestion - the board should ensure that LIV is in compliance with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality requirements; specifically the requirement for a licensed operator for LIV's wastewater collection system including the sewer lift stations owned an operated by LIV.

See the Texas Administrative Code, Title 30, Part 1, Chapter 30, Subchapter J: http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.ViewTAC?tac_view=5&ti=30&pt=1&ch=30&sch=J&rl=Y

Be sure to check the definitions of wastewater collection system and wastewater collection system operator in RULE §30.337: http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=30&pt=1&ch=30&rl=337

It definitely applies to LIV lift stations and sewer pipes, and the maintenance people who supervise and work on them!!

A sewer system in violation of Texas law? Better start selling out now before property values PLUMMET!!

Anonymous said...

A suggestion for a follow-up on the new security contract - I thought they were supposed to start Jan 1, but haven't seen anything in the newsletter or here on this blog about whether or not they actually started yet..Are we still unlicensed security going into the new year?

Anonymous said...

Illegal pools and hot tubs, unlicensed lift station operators, and unlicensed security...these are not minor discrepancies and issues, these are MAJOR infractions of Safety, and Health and Welfare laws!

Anonymous said...

Someone needs a JOB so they'll keep their nose out of everyone ELSE's job.

Good grief. The waste water system is working and it's working better than it ever has, even with all the extra load that more and more full-timers bring to the table.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

What IS broke is our BOD. Come on, March!

Anonymous said...

Just wondering...
Will Larry's and Les' salary decrease since we now have a licensed security company and no longer under Aramark's umbrella?

Anonymous said...

RE: "Someone needs a JOB....."

Well, if we could TRUST the GM to do his job and do it properly people wouldn't be checking around. Frankly, the GM does NOT have a good track record regarding telling the truth about things.

You are right - come on March - maybe then we can get a new manager!

Anonymous said...

re: The waste water system is working and it's working better than it ever has...

The issue is NOT whether the system is working - the issue is that the system is operating in violation of Texas laws and regulations. And these particular regulations are designed to protect the health and safety of citizens. Are you saying LIV shouldn't be concerned with the health and safety of the residents?

Anonymous said...

What do you think is wrong with the sewer system? All LIV does is pump the sewage under the Intercostal to public disposal facilities. It works just about like any public sewer system. Cite your specific issues. And no, I'm not selling.

The new security system is up and running as of midnight Dec 31. Haven't you noticed the uniformed security people?

The pool problems appear to be a work in progress......

What's your deal?? The new directors are making big progress.

Anonymous said...

RE: "Just wondering..."

It's none of your business!

Anonymous said...

RE: "Are you saying LIV shouldn't be concerned with the health and safety of the residents?"

No, I'm saying that the sewer system is safer and therefore promotes better health than it ever has, so someone needs to bark up a different tree.

It's just another something that someone dug up to try and get rid of our GM.

I'm saying that it's "micromanaging", which is not our place. Our job should be fishing and golfing and riding bikes, and if we are truly so unhappy with the place that we live in that we can't DO that, we should move on to somewhere else. Some have made their point that this has become our job because our GM is NOT doing it. Good point, but if the majority of folks think otherwise (which they do), it's time to move on to something else. And if we can't be happy with the management of this place and the majority of the people who own property and in many cases live here, and vote to keep the current management in place, we should then move on instead of trying to make everyone else as miserable as we are.

I remember a few times when someone brought out the word "vindictive." Doesn't that reflect someone's unhappiness causing them to make others unhappy?

Provided that we get a fair election this time (as opposed to last time), March will let us all know how the majority feels. Again, not the majority of folks who write in to this blog, but the majority of the voting residents.

Anonymous said...

I have often commented on the fact that our GM allows contractors to run wild and unsupervised on our streets.
Just this week a cement mixer truck was backing on a narrow residential street to return to the main road sidewalk to pour cement when he was involved in an accident.
Then Sat. a "too large and too heavy" steel track excavator damaged our swing bridge.
Who is responsible?
I know who has to pay for the damage... US!! And it's all preventable. We need a manager that's proactive not re-active.

Anonymous said...

RE: Contractors running wild on our streets.

Are you saying that our Manager needs to be a traffic cop also??
Maybe you should volunteer for that job since you apparently have nothing better to do than complain.

Anonymous said...

We don't need a traffic cop but it's not unreasonable for us to expect that the GM do his job.
We, the owners are not running this place Day to Day the GM is responsible and it sounds like you would like to blame the owners rather than the GM that we pay and trust to safely manage the day to day activies at LIV.
LOOK AROUND he has failed.
Oh by the way OH GREAT DEFENDER you never answered the question of the GM's relation to our restruant manager? Go on the record!!!

Anonymous said...

"Then Sat. a "too large and too heavy" steel track excavator damaged our swing bridge."

Yet another example of someone trying to blame anything and everything on the manager.

The manager of LIV has nothing to do with the management of the bridge, nor does the LIV BOD - it's a seperate board.

Anonymous said...

Whose going to replace Annita?

Anonymous said...

Re: “No, I’m saying our sewer system…. (Posted 1/10/09 @ 8:12 am)

Do believe that you are a wee bit deluded about how the “majority of the people” feel and “micromanaging” that goes on. First it would be great if we could all just golf, fish, ride bikes and play, safe with the knowledge that the GM was taking care of us. Well, friend that isn’t happening now, nor has it happened since Larry arrived here. In fact LIV is in trouble now because people kept their heads buried in the sand. Past BODs let the GMs do just what they wanted with no accountability at all. Look where it has gotten us!

Have you forgotten the “great sewer break” of summer 2007? It took 3+ months for it to get fixed plus thousands of dollars flushed down the drain (pun intended). How
much money did Larry spend on bags of cement to build a column to rest the old line on? Yes, I saw the large flat bed trucks come in piled high with these bags and I even went down to the site and talked to Larry. Why did Larry and Pat Burke keep telling the village, at the town hall meetings, that all the permits were in order when in fact the GM
had not even started the process!

Have you forgotten the “security license is in the mail”? How much of our money did the GM spend for uniforms for these “security guards” when neither he nor Les were even qualified to run a security company? Larry said there was no charge for these uniforms (even with embroidery), but who knows.

The above are just two small examples of how the GM handles things. Sad but true the GM isn’t good on telling the truth.

As far as the statement “provided we get a fair election this time as opposed to last March” how can you say that election was rigged? At that time the votes and proxies
were being handled in the same manner as always. We have since learned that manner is not in compliance with the rules. The majority of voting residents did speak up then and elected a BOD that would hold management accountable.

You are certainly entitled to your view point and this blog is a great place to air it; however could you please tell LIV what the GM has done that is so good for you and your SGG friends to have caused all these troubles? I have read over this blog several times and have yet to see EXACTLY what the GM does that is so great. Please explain? Also, explain why you think the March 2008 was not valid?

Thank you Joey for letting everyone at LIV voice their concerns and opinions.

Anonymous said...

Our pervious board did not interfere with the GM ,they did not micro manage.. They let the GM do with as he may. The pervious board listened to the GM ideas, problems and solutions. Not wanting to micro mange or be accused of this dastardly deed, the GM was allowed to bring us to our current problems.

Now the new board is asking questions of the GM and wants answers, and are being accused of micro managing.
There are times when micro managing is OK.
If the board asks the GM specific questions and they are misunderstood by the GM and incorrect answers are given , the board could temporally micro manage. By being clear and precise in the boards instructions, the GM will know exactly what they want and will typically be a bit more careful to give the board what they requested.

We need a board that will ask questions we need a manger that tells the truth!

Anonymous said...

RE: "Do believe that you are a wee bit deluded about how the 'majority of the people' feel and 'micromanaging' that goes on. First it would be great if we could all just golf, fish, ride bikes and play, safe with the knowledge that the GM was taking care of us."--I already said that some have made that point, and that it was a good point, and provided a solution. Who is it that's delusional?

Re: "Have you forgotten the “great sewer break” of summer 2007?"--No, nor have I forgotten that Larry knew there was a problem, just didn't know the EXTENT of it, nor did anyone else. Nor have I forgotten the countless hours he spent doing what he could do to save us all a little bit of money.

Re: "Have you forgotten the 'security license is in the mail'? "--How COULD I forget when something as miniscule as that has been countless times used against logical thinking to justify spending more money for a security crew that has no more authority than what we had before.

Re: "how can you say that election was rigged? At that time the votes and proxies
were being handled in the same manner as always. We have since learned that manner is not in compliance with the rules."--You have answered your own question!!

Re: "we need a manager that tells the truth!"--I inserted the letter "a" to correct "manger" to "manager"...I assume that's what you meant. I see a common trait among the commenters that have a hard time understanding how the true majority feels--they can't spell or type or apparently sometimes understand what they are reading. Anyway, noone has proven to me as of yet where our GM has outright lied to them purposely. Even if they had, I would suggest to them that I would possibly have lied to them also, given the position that they might have placed him in. One thing we need to keep in mind is that he works for Aramark. There are certain things that Aramark instructs him to say and that he has to say in order to keep his so called "high-paying" job.

Re: "I have read over this blog several times and have yet to see EXACTLY what the GM does that is so great."--You won't find it in this blog and it doesn't take rocket science to figure that out. The majority of folks who write on this blog are busy trying to humiliate and degrade our GM to the point that it might seem that they represent the true majority of the owners in this village.

Anonymous said...

there is nothing wrong with asking the questions of the GM but hey Folks: the questions should be asked in private, not demanded in the board meetings that is harrasment! I learned a long time ago to commplement my employees in front of their peers and to correct them in private. The "fab 5" or as I call them the 3m group need a lesson in personel management!

Anonymous said...

To the SGG:
We see a lot of spin for your boy LD on a lot of subjects but not the matter of,"is he the restruant managers father in law"?
There is no anger in the question but everyone is awaiting the TRUE answer.

Anonymous said...

FOR GOSH SAKES GIVE UP ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT RELATED BY BLOOD OR MARRIAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY MERELY WORK FOR THE SAME GREAT COMPANY!!!!!!! CAN IT

Anonymous said...

RE: there is nothing wrong with asking the questions of the GM;

The GM made it clear last summer that no one talks to him but the President. The only place where accountability questions are allowed is at the board meetings. I agree that this should be done another way, but the GM has created this venue.

Anonymous said...

RE:-RE: "Do you feel that you are a wee bit"---I don’t want a general manager to take care of me; I just want him to do his job without me trying to guess if he is telling me the truth.

RE:-RE: "Have you forgotten the “great sewer break”---These countless hours you talk about he got paid for and his countless mistakes that added days to the repairs at $2200 per day on trucking our poop. No he didn’t save our Park a dime, but he sure cost our Village more.

RE:-RE: "Have you forgotten the “security license is in the mail”---This was another example of being misled, not a reason for a licensed security. The authority of the license security Co. is just one of the reasons we need it, but you don’t seem to comprehend well enough to have listened.

RE:-RE: “We need a manager that tells the truth”---While you were busy adding an “a” to that person’s comment, I took the liberty of separating “noone” in yours. Are you for real? How can a person not lie on purpose? The position he was placed in was accountability. Are you saying that Aramark told our GM to lie to us? Are you nuts?

RE:-RE: I have read over this blog"
---First of all I feel this blog is open to all who wish to say something that they feel. A simple question was asked and seems to be unanswered. No one is trying to humiliate or degrade the manager. This is just about accountability of management, to which it seems our Village is lacking.
No one (you noticed the separation) has a clue of what the majority feels or thinks, not even you Princess.

Anonymous said...

What in the name of GOD are we going to do if all the same people run again? It could happen!
There will be no end to this madness!

Anonymous said...

Just for the record, the GM makes $80,000 plus. On top of that I believe he & his son-in-law got big raises when he (the GM) & PB misled the membership into believing that unlicensed Aramark Security could do the same as Licensed Security and more. And, I might add....at the same price they (Aramark)offered to supply us with a "licensed" Aramark Security. Ask to see the contract signed by PB. It is for "outside gatekeepers". There is nothing about patrolling, or issuing citations. It does however state that if they happen to see something that appears to be wrong they "can" call the authorities. And if they make a mistake...."we" are liable. With licensed security, if "they" make a mistake ..Securitas is liable.

Anonymous said...

I was thinking not to complicate matters.. But the BOD answers to no one, not even to each other. It might be a good idea to have a program is place....

Compliance and Ethics Program
It can consist of 4 members

Anyone that wanted to be on the committee would sign up.
Their names would then be drawn.

This program would be dedicated for the soul purpose of evaluating the board.
At least 4 times a year an evaluation would take place.
If situations like our present ....would occur again. , the
Compliance and Ethics Program would be in affect. Board members that are disrupting or in anyway compromise the well being of our natural way of life would be asked to resign..Mind you this would only be initiated in extreme cases.

Anonymous said...

Two Questions:

1) What does the 3m stand for in the "the 3m group"?

2) Is Anita leaving, or quitting, or what?

Anonymous said...

Annita was not fired ,so dont get that going! She was offered a new job outside the park. We will miss her! We all need expand or lives
Sometimes we just have to move on.

Anonymous said...

Who's Anita?

Anonymous said...

Our village has STOPPED GROWING. It is stale. The only exciting thing is this BLOG addressing real problems by real people. It is truly a step forward

Our broad members are boring ,they go round and round the same circle.

The only thing new with them is the way our money is spent. Besides that , they are leaving the rest of us disgusted.

The BOD's are so busy evaluating each other, resentment has settled in. The rest of us are put by the whey side.
The Winter Texans will be gone soon. The rest of us will have to fend for ourselves, without your support.
We like it when your here. Because we are strong with numbers and wont tolerate this nonsense. We are all busy doing this and that.

COME APRIL MAY JUNE.. The hunt begins. We CANNOT HAVE THIS BOARD IN PLACE. I am not talking the GM here.


Voting for the same people that are on the board AGAIN will only put us on the same ride for another two years.

I say lets consider a new path. NO MEMBERS FROM PASSED OR PRESENT BOD"S. . We can survive without their expertees. WE CANNOT SURVIVE WITH THEM .They are not what we need. They have to get over themselves.

Let's have an evaluation committee for the BOD's. Allow video tapping of all meetings. Allow video conferencing. Video web cameras.
I would strongly recommend at this time to take into consideration , people who DO NOT LIVE HERE FULLTIME and have them fill a position as a BOD.

Believe or not WINTER TEXANS you are our answer to survival and growth. What we have now just isn't working. Please see that! Pickup an application!
Give us choices, the right choices!

Anonymous said...

Another suggestion - in addition to the waste water licensing, LIV should also comply with the TCEQ requirements for Public Water System, including permits and having 2 licensed operators:

"(C) Purchased water systems serving more than 1,000 connections must employ at least two operators who hold a Class "C" or higher license and who each work at least 16 hours per month at the public water system's treatment or distribution facilities."

That's what LIV is, a purchased water system. LIV buys treated water from LMWD, delivered to LIV's meter. From the meter, all the distribution pipes to lots and residences are operated, maintained and repaired by LIV maintenance.

And according to the TCEQ web site:

"recreational vehicle parks with long-term residents, and other businesses are NTNCs". (Nontransient noncommunity water system)

"A PWS provides potable water for the public’s use. A system must be a certain size to be considered public:
it must have at least 15 service connections OR serve at least 25 individuals for at least 60 days out of the year."

See "Am I a Public Water System?" at: http://www.tceq.state.tx.us/permitting/water_supply/pdw/pws.html

Also Texas Administrative Code:
http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=30&pt=1&ch=290&rl=46

Anonymous said...

You don't see RP LM PB acting the way they did all summer! . You don't see RP knocking at everyone's door or sending out ridicules petitions in the mail.
They are hangin low because they know they better behave. Just wait till the summer! They are totally different evil people.
Elect a new board!

Anonymous said...

Annita works in the Activity Office

Anonymous said...

Questionable water distribution system, questionable wastewater collection system, questionable security (until recently), questionable pools and hot tubs...and this is just the tip of the iceberg, folks!

Did I mention questionable construction - as in "rebuilds"? OOPS, I guess I just did mention it. Property values are probably gonna be CRASHING!

Anonymous said...

Re: it's none of your business...
It certainly is our business. We need to know because that would be a cost cutting effort, take that money from their salaries and put it in the security allotment.

Anonymous said...

Hi
Is there going to be a Pickleball court?

Championwhippet said...

Hi Joey
I'm hoping that they will have a Pickeball court soon.
It is a blast to play and very easy on the joints.

Anonymous said...

someone asked what "3M" stood for. The blog is so cute about naming people such as "SGG" and "fab 5" I thought "3M was appropriate. M stands for MND, M stands for EM, and the 3rd M stands for "misfits"--- you "figger" it out

Anonymous said...

I am an owner who unfortunately for now, only vacations a couple weeks in the winter, retirement hopefully in a few years. However, I do correspond with an owner who lives there most of the year who keeps me informed of the progress or non progress of village issues.
In my opinion I feel they are doing their job, especially demanding accountability with employees and financial issues, which are very important issues for the survival of the village. I understand that not everyone will be happy with all the decisions made by the ELECTED board, and that there will be conflicts to work through. However, the bitter arguing between village residents over their differences is somewhat childish, on the order of nanna nanna booboo dialog. There will always be some disagreement and opinions on issues, but I do believe the board has our village's best interest in mind. Nobody is perfect and there is always room for improvement. I believe the petitions we received in the mail to oust the board, etc. were inappropriate and only fuels the fire.
I am unsettled with all that is being said or done from both sides. When we retire, we hope to get more involved with the village, but for now we will read, listen, observe and evaluate the issues as they present themselves.
I think our village has a lot to offer in general and getting along with our fellow owners to work out our differences and come to a mutual agreement on the issues at hand and future issues that may arise is important for the survival of our village.
My advise is that we all take a step back and think things through again, you may come up with a different perspective on how to address the issues and to resolve them together.

Anonymous said...

HELLO I am a owner!
Go ask the SGG to drop the lawsuit!
Then you will see how nice they are!
Do youself a favor, dont get involved. Save yourself and find another place with nice people. Dont get involved with and condo asso either!

Anonymous said...

Rumors are cheap shots on both sides.
The facts will set us free and help us to move on.
The facts will come out soon and the SGG and their spin doctor rumor mongers will be left hold the bag.
Then we can move foward.
So beware SGG.

Anonymous said...

Re: "HELLO I am a owner!
Go ask the SGG to drop the lawsuit!
Then you will see how nice they are!
Do youself a favor, dont get involved. Save yourself and find another place with nice people. Dont get involved with and condo asso either!"

Comments like this do so much for our village. I am sure after reading that comment people are just dying to get in. It is not hard to see that an attitude like this is what "drew" the lawsuit in the first place.

As for our "elected" board, they do NOT have our best interest in mind (at least five of them don't). They have their personal AGENDAS in mind. They are NOT doing what the people elected them to do, and that's mostly because they are not anything close to what they CLAIMED to be in their campaigns.

And as far as the "nanna nanna booboo dialog," how's this for ya? It's what we'll be singin' to the "fab five" in March,"Na-Na-Na Na, Na-Na-Na-Na, Hey-Hey-Heh, GOODBYE!"

Come on, March!

Anonymous said...

RE: It is not hard to see that an attitude like this is what "drew" the lawsuit in the first place.

You said this attitude is what brought on this lawsuit in the first place is in my way of thinking a better reason than what they used to sue our directors in the first place. It is also a better reason than any of the one they listed for the recall. Mind you everybody not one reason has ever been proven from the recall or this lawsuit. That kind of makes a person wonder. Get real!
You say personal agendas and don’t say what those agendas are. Generalizations with no proof have been the platform for the SGG and you seem to tag right along. Protecting our GM was the sole reason for all of this. Tell me one issue with proof other than that. You can’t because there are none. Other than to make our GM accountable, tell everyone the other things they haven’t done that they promised in their campaign. You can’t because there are none and you don’t have a clue. You talk like the talk that had been heard all summer, just a bunch of innuendos and smear with no proof to back it up with. Keep singing

Anonymous said...

RE: Attitude
As I have said before...
"Where's the proof of the allegations brought forth in the lawsuit"?
As for BOD personal agendas, the GM being ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS is a great personal agenda. There is not anyone who doesn't want a GM who is accountable.
PB, LM, and MS, as previous BOD, enabled the GM to do as he pleased with no accountability whatsoever. That is what has gotten us in the mess LIV's in.
It continues to amaze me that people are so eager to listen to, be influenced by and believe what the SGG tells them without a bit of proof of the accusations, they tell one person something and it is accepted as the truth. People are so gullible. They believe what their friends in their social circle want them to believe and then pass it on to others. That's why people wanted change in the first place and elected MND, RH, EM, and JP. These people think for themselves and ask questions. They are working to make the GM accountable.
Go ahead and elect the reps of the SGG and LIV will continue to deteriorate with the lack of accoutability.
Thanks Joey for this Blog, it is a wonderful avenue to express opinions without repercussions.

Anonymous said...

Re: "There are those who feel the comments in this blog lean a bit one sided. There may be reasons which bring forth that appearance. It could be that more owners will truly express themselves if their negative comment stays anonymous. It could be the owners with opposite comments don’t visit this blog. It just simply might mean that more people are having the same opinion on the issues at hand."

Or then it COULD be that not all the entries get posted. Come on, Joey, there was no personal attack in the "struck a chord" post yesterday. Why didn't you post it?

Joey said...

Re: "There are those who feel the comments in this blog

Sorry for the inconvenience. Please send it again and if it’s as you say it will get posted. There are times I just don’t receive the comment so in the future if you don’t see it posted that day, send it again. This last one obviously came through so try it again please. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

I don't think you have made the case on the wastwater issue. Other parks and cities that purchase water need to be polled to see how they interpret the law. LIV purchases fresh, treated water and sends the wastewater back across the canal to a public wastewater facility. More specifics are needed if you hope to convince the board.

You haven't convinced me or most other people as yet.......

Anonymous said...

I think it's kind of strange that Zerbe & Myers are willing to finance the recall & lawsuit but they're not willing to run for the board? Maybe they just want to "run" the board. Why not? I guess then they would run the village?? Yikes, could the Cowen thing be the catalyst behind all of this???

Anonymous said...

"catalyst"--an agent that induces catalysis.

"catalysis"--an action or reaction between two or more persons or forces.

Keeping in mind that "all of this" has never happened to this extent under any other previous board of directorship, I would say that the "fab five" are the "catalyst."


Come on, March!

Anonymous said...

RE:"catalyst"--an agent that induces catalysis.

"catalysis"--an action or reaction between two or more persons or forces.

If you are worried about Cowan, why don't you check with Pat Burke and Dennis Sullivan. They are the ones who have met with him and his people without anyother BOD members there.

Yes, come on March and the election of people who aren't part of the SGG.

Anonymous said...

I disagree...
The 'catalyst' in LIV is Priest and Mulch.
They are the ones who started this mess with the invalid recall(with ballots that were not signed by residents, but 'per phone' after harassing the residents, and the lawsuit.

Anonymous said...

Oh but they never had to start a recall before, did they? Never had to file a suit before, either, did they?

Those two things were "induced", just as the definition of 'catalyst explains.

I am not worried about Cowen. The rest of this island will be developed. It will not happen as quickly as we thought because of the economy, but it will happen. Despite what some think, he or Freeland neither one are a part of any conspiracy to ruin the lives of L.I.V. residency.

See, they (unlike most of us) are too busy making money to spend all their time and efforts bickering and arguing with their neighbors.

Anonymous said...

Now John Freeland wants us to pay another $2,000 for yet another survey. He keeps telling us that the ICW will be rerouted. But, will he or we live to see that happen? What happened to the previous $1,500 survey. If that is not good enough, let the attorney, John Freeland, pay for a new one. He will always ask for more and more of our money to help him with his projects. Do we plan to keep on giving and giving to anyone who asks?

Anonymous said...

It's all in perspective. $2,000 could be considered miniscule when you compare it to what we might have to spend on our bridge without his help, someday in the not too distant future.

Anonymous said...

Am I the only one that has noticed that the hard work of this blogger has turned away from posting the coffee and meeting happenings and more towards starting new arguments?

Anonymous said...

The recall and lawsuit was TOTALLY unneccessary. This BOD is trying to make things better by having management be ACCOUNTABLE, which is something that had not happened with past BOD.
What is the harm in that?????
Mulch and Priest have yet to prove their allegations for the recall and lawsuit. All they have is what they THINK that the six BOD were going to do. What makes them so important that what Mulch and Priest THINK is going to happen warrants a lawsuit?

Anonymous said...

RE: "Oh but they never had to start a recall before, did they? Never had to file a suit before, either, did they?"

IF our LIV neighbors didn't do bogus recall letters and law suits there wouldn't be any fighting.

IF our LIV neighbors wanted accountablity from the GM there wouldn't be problems.

Anonymous said...

May I suggest that when new sidewalks are put in, a ramp is included where there is a cross walk or street intersection. If coming from Abalone Circle to the rec center with a wheelchair or other rolling device there is no way to get up to the sidewalk.
Also, is it normal for new sidewalks to crack so quickly; a month old and 2 cracks across already.

Anonymous said...

The Rubio Bros. usually do all the concrete and tile work in LIV. They don't have to bid or anything, just keep up their contact with Armando.

Seems to make sense to have handicap accessible sidewalks in a mostly senior park.

Guess someone didn't have their thinking cap on that day.

Joey said...

Thankyou for your concern. To the right and both. They are both friends and both girls.

Anonymous said...

there are two kinds of concrete cracked and not cracked yet

Anonymous said...

All contractors doing work for the resort are supposed to be insured.
I wonder if Good 'Ol Rubio Bros. has to be insured? Has he ever furnished the association with proof??? Or is being "Armando Endorsed" all anyone doing work in this park needs?? If his endorsement was better than gold as a manager, imagine the value now that he is an OWNER!! Anyone notice the newly grown peacock feathers he wears to the meetings???

Anonymous said...

Once again--nothing but talk.

Rubio Bros. does NOT do our concrete work, a local guy by the name of Acosta does. He gets the work because he does it cheaper than everyone else. Even if he were to bid slightly higher we should still use him. When you always go by the cheapest bid you don't develop a working relationship with someone where there are benefits each way. We depend on him to do the work cheap and he depends on us to keep him working.

I realize all of this is hard for some of you to understand.

Anonymous said...

Keep up the good work Joey! It would seem that this Blog gets more and better results than any Work Order put into Armando's infamous "2 Hour Completion" System! While on work orders, it has been 6 months + since Dolly visited us and still no repair on the Outdoor Pool Roof. Temp was 50 degrees and NW wind was 15-25 mph this a.m. and the wind chill at pool surface was VERY LOW! Maybe the "Monitor(s)" will read this and pass it along! Sure would be nice to plug up that hole soon!

Anonymous said...

Re: Once again--nothing but talk.

I'm SURE there are BENEFITS... too bad too bad most of the benefits only benefit 2 owners, and their friends OF COURSE.

Anonymous said...

I would like to know why there are 5 (count them...5) street lamps that are still out since Dolly. They are along Sea Shell Blvd. and mostly in front of the Rec. Center area. Can we not get these fixed?!?

Anonymous said...

Once again--nothing but talk

We SHOULDN'T have to depend on someone to do the work cheap.
We SHOULD be able to depend on our managers to make sure the work is done RIGHT at a FAIR and REASONABLE price. By the way Is Mr. "local" insured??? Could that be why he is soo cheap?
It would only take one misfortune by him or one his employees to take him from the cheapest to "ching-ching"! like the saying goes "you pay for what you get"

Anonymous said...

Ask Mr. Peterson how many of HIS contractors were licensed when all the work to his park model was done.

Anonymous said...

Seashell Street Lights

CPL fixes our street lights. Call and complain. Be sure you refer to us as Outdoor Resorts as that is how CPL has us listed I think.

Anonymous said...

Re: Anyone notice the newly grown peacock feathers he wears to the meetings???

I think someone needs to be reminded that when he is at our Board Meetings/ Coffees, he is there as an "EMPLOYEE" not as an "OWNER". He is there on OUR DIME(or in this case DOLLARS)so he better learn to separate the two. I am sure even Aramark would agree with that. I can personally attest to his condescending attitude towards some owners (the opposition). What was that Aramark Business Ethics number???

Anonymous said...

Ask Mr. Peterson how many of HIS contractors were licensed when all the work to his park model was done.

You are way off... Let me do you a favor and reel you back in. Compare apples to apples! Mr Peterson - Single Homeowner... Long Island Village - 1,000+ - ONE THOUSAND plus homeowners. When you become the owner of 1024 lots then it will be YOUR prerogative. Until then protect what you are entrusted with.

Anonymous said...

He's not single...he's married...I think.

Married Homeowner.

Anonymous said...

Hold on a minute! You are telling me that I should call CP&L and complain about the street lights that are out. ISN'T THAT THE JOB OF THE GENERAL MANAGER ?????!!!!!

Anonymous said...

How many of you get your home cleaned by legals?

You know, all you northerners come down here to a ONCE quiet corner of the world ,take all your tacky ideas from places you wanted to get away from.

You screwed it all up down here. With your ridicules pricing ,our taxes went sky high , your ridicules petty rules that are made, you all want something for nothing. You don't want to give back. Your all selfish narrowed mined and ignorant.
We where once a nice park with friendly people , property was lower then any place else and no one cared about a board that much. Now that you have
$!50.00 $300.000 properties, you want it all your way . The park got to big and you all didn't grow. Just screwed things up. And now your tripping over each other. We are now a ME WORLD! THE HELL WITH YOU WORLD! Probably like the neighborhood you came from!
Bunch of old narrow mined want it your way people I have ever seen. I sure hope I don't get like you all when I'm old! I wish some of you would just go away!

Anonymous said...

So who turned in BOD applications?

Anonymous said...

My home is cleaned by a "Legal", ME

Calm down you will live longer.

Anonymous said...

Any builder knows you don't need a license to remodel or build in TX .

Anonymous said...

Why is there no music on channel 18?

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure who all the candidates are but I do know there is a "meet the candidates" cocktail party tomorrow and not "all" of the candidates are invited. Sounds like another SGG tactic to try to make some of the candidates look bad for not showing up.

Anonymous said...

That doesn't sound right to have a 'meet the candidates' and not invite all to attend.
I thought the candidate forum is in March.

Anonymous said...

RE:Why is there no music on channel 18?

Our GM discontinued the music because a few people could not read and listen at the same time. Not a joke.
I wondeer if the overly loud radio station music just put the laundry will be taken out because these same people can't do laundry and listen at the same time?

Anonymous said...

If the sound is distracting MUTE{:)

Anonymous said...

there is a volume control..
I like to listen to the music!
Now why should he make way for oh....lets say two who cant read and listen to the TV. Why is the TV on anyway? Just shut the VOLUME OFF! I cant believe the GM discontinued the music because on one person maybe two for the benifit of the doubt! GEEEEZZZZZ!

Anonymous said...

Is it a coincidence that Anita resigns and Larry turns the music off?
Seems like a lack of appreciation.
Any thoughts...

Anonymous said...

When Annita left the party was over! We will miss her!