Friday, September 04, 2009



OUR CEMENT POND

It seems like every six months or so, we get the privilege to hear another sales pitch from Steve, the Berry Pool guy. I believe most owners know why. At the last Coffee Meeting he showed up to tell owners what made our water again turned green and why we need to use his services. Let’s review some of what Steve said.

The Backwash Blame

This last batch of cloudy green water which tested having no chlorine was in Steve's words “a little incident.” The culpability for creating such pond scum did not fall on his faulty solenoid valve that he had trouble replacing or his company’s ineptness towards this every second monitoring system. No sir, Mr. pointing finger almost pierced the body of our pool employee who was accused of removing all the water’s stabilizer (cyanuric acid) while backwashing the water out of the pool for an accidental forty five minutes. On the surface this seemed plausible. So let’s review his rationale.
In swimming pool water, cyanuric acid does not float on the top but partially surrounds the chlorine on a molecular level, to protect the chlorine and prevent it from being quickly burned off and used up by the sun.

Most owners may not realize that our outdoor pool can be backwash forty five minutes, two hours, or all day and will drain close to the same amount of water. The water loss stays near the same because once you drained below the skimmer line; you start pumping air instead of water, along with ruining the pump’s seals and eventually the pump. This employee could have only lowered the outdoor pool water level by inches with this accidental draining.

Records show if one wishes to reduce their stabilizer, they must replace approximately 25% of their pool water with fresh water. This figures to be about 22,500 gallons when talking about our outdoor pool and that’s just to reduce the stabilizer, not eliminate it.

The proper way to drain our outdoor pool water is to close the skimmer valve located in the big filter room and use only the bottom drain. Forty five minutes worth of doing that would drain about 13,000 gallons (14% of the pool water).
This accidental backwash did not create our pool facility’s water problem and someone owes this employee an apology. It appears the culprit is once again having a long duration of no chlorine being dispensed into the pool water, which turns that pointing finger around.

On top of their exorbitant monthly charge, our Board is now paying Berry Pools a very tidy sum to try to control this newly developed algae growth which had seemed to flourish in our latest high quality lagoon water.

Berry Pools is supposed to provide our Pool facility with water that’s balanced. That means the pool water’s chlorine; pH, alkalinity, and acidity are kept in line to make the water quality good for both people and equipment. It seems far too often though, our Park has been getting inconsistent water quality and periodic slick talking lip service.


Chemical Cost Higher?

At the Board meeting both Ms. Burke and Steve emphasize an increase in chemical usage. Common sense would tell most owners that more sun, more heat, more people, would mean more chemicals. Why mention it at all unless preparing the owners for chemical costs that are going through the roof. Is our Park still paying less for chemicals since hiring Berry Pools as Ms. Burke had claimed? Last year’s cost was a little difficult to compare with because of hurricane Dolly.

When Ms. Burke did say we are using more chemicals, she also said the Park is now being charged less per item/gallon. That may actually translate into our Park is not paying Berry Pools the full “Market Price” for a change. Has anyone read a word like “wholesale” in Berry Pool’s contract?

Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act

Steve threw this fear into everyone’s hearts about how the Federal Government is fining any organization up to $1.8 million who are not in compliance with the Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act. He also said there is this attorney frenzy happening as a result.
The Virginia Graeme Baker Pool and Spa Safety Act started on December 2008, and stated that each public pool and spa in the United States must be equipped with anti-entrapment devices or systems that comply with the ASME/ANSI 112.19.8 performance standard. That’s it, entrapment devices.
Please note though that our indoor pool may still not be in compliance since it appears each of the bottom drains seem to operate individually with its own pump.

Certified Pool Operator?

Steve was adamant about staff members who manually maintain our pool facility have to be licensed and certified technicians to be in compliance. Then Steve tells the audience he’s certified and proud to say his whole staff was.
The next thing we will to be hearing is the Board wanting to pay Berry Pools for some certification training.

Even though it is a good idea to have a certified pool operator in charge of you facility, it doesn’t guarantee that person knows what they are doing. (Case in point, see ex-gm)
It seems the Texas State Codes do not mandate a CPO or the equivalent towards organizations like our Village. Please read below.

The Texas Administrating Code
Subchapter L
Standards for Public Pools and Spas
265.203

(a) Required operator certification for certain types of post-10/01/99 and pre-10/01/99 pools and spas. Post-10/01/99 and pre-10/01/99 Class A or B pools and Class D pools operated in conjunction with a Class A or B pool shall be maintained under the supervision and direction of a properly trained and certified operator who is responsible for the sanitation, safety, and proper maintenance of the pool or spa, and for maintaining all physical and mechanical equipment and records. Training and certification can be obtained by completion of one of the following courses or their equivalent:

(1) the NRPA, "Aquatic Facility Operator" (A.F.O.);
(2) the NSPF, "Certified Pool-Spa Operator" (C.P.O.);
(3) YMCA, "Pool Operator on Location" (P.O.O.L.);
(4) the NSPI, "Professional Pool & Spa Operator" (P.P.S.O.); or
(5) the ASPSA, "Licensed Aquatic Facility Technician" (L.A.F.T.).

(Please notice that a Class C pool does not have this requirement.)

Definitions of pool classes
265.182

(A) Class A pool--Any pool used, with or without a fee, for accredited competitive aquatic events such as Federation Internationale De Natation Amateur (FINA), United States Swimming, United States Diving, National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), National Federation of State High School Associations (NFSHSA), events. A Class A pool may also be used for recreation.

B) Class B pool--Any pool used for public recreation and open to the general public with or without a fee.

(C) Class C pool--Any pool operated for and in conjunction with:
(i) lodging such as hotels, motels, apartments, condominiums, or mobile home parks;
(ii) property owner associations, private organizations, or clubs; or
(iii) a school, college or university while being operated for academic or continuing education classes. The use of such a pool would be open to occupants, members or students, etc., and their guests but not open to the general public.
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(D) Class D pool--A wading pool with a maximum water depth of 24 inches at any point.

My Opinion
For the past two years Berry Pools has cost far more and has done considerably less than a qualified pool attendant. It has not provided the expected assurance that the water chemistry in this pool facility is always satisfactory. The problems of the past have not been improved upon from this costly service. Steve was correct in saying that water chemistry is a science, but it sure doesn’t take a missile scientist to realize we have a dud here.

17 comments:

Cancel Berry Pools said...

Why then didn't Berry pools make sure LIV was in compliance before the deadline last year? Instead, it was posts and comments on this blog that ultimately led to compliance measures taken. And, there's still doubt about whether the indoor pool complies!

Will Berry pools indemnify LIV if a $1.8mm fine is levied? Better check the contract. Or better yet...

Cancel Berry Pools!

Anonymous said...

I believe that Berry Pool's obligation stops at the water. Everything else is on our Park, including compliance issues.

WISHING said...

WHY IS LEO TAKING WATER SAMPLES AND RECORDING THEM?????

Anonymous said...

I don't know who Leo is, but I am glad someone is keeping a record. FIRE BERRY POOLS!!!!!!

wishing said...

Leo is the pool man. He comes to work at 4:00 AM and works until about noon. Nice guy. But--since we have a computer system to monitor the water---WHY is Leo taking water samples?????

Cancel Berry Pools said...

If we have a pool guy, why are we paying Berry Pools?

Anonymous said...

Slow down, folks. My guess is that we are checking the pool daily in order to prepare documentation to do something about Berry Pools. Only a guess.

Anonymous said...

To: Cancel Berry Pools:
Ignorance creates control which was important to L.D. in the past mess! The "Pool Guy" has had NO training nor had training been sought for him, if he would qualify.
Berry Pools has been blowing smoke up many orfices for some time now, out of both sides of their mouth, but this a.m. the outdoor hottub was only good for rinsing OFF your body the chlorine from the main pool!
The testing, in my opinion, is an attempt to illustrate the FAILURE of Berry "B.S." Pools to do its job.
HOWEVER: a lot depends upon the test results that an untrained staff member may obtain especially when observations show testing from one water source to another is being done WITHOUT RINSING the test vial! PLEASE! Right idea, wrong person, maybe!!!!!!
The same is true of the "slippery" spot near the rope/float line on the Building side of the pool. The bucket is there to clean the metal scrubber but is it being sterilized? Is it being used? Used properly? It seems to spend a lot of time resting on the poolside!

Swimmer said...

Thanks to BOD Annita White for insisting on installing an additional handrail in the pools. Thanks to Armando and Rick for being so quick to get them installed.
What a difference it makes in getting in and out of the pools!

Mr Concerned said...

Re: Thanks Armando and Rick...

Okay, so when LD was GM, ALL facilities/pool/maintenance/grounds/road problems were blamed on LD; NOT blamed on Armando.

But now that there's a new GM, Armando is suddenly a hero deserving of thanks? If Armando is such a capable hero, why do we even need to pay for a GM? Why didn't Armando take care of these things before?

Mr. Opinion said...

Re:Mr. Concern Why didn't Armando take care of these things before?

Maybe it’s because he now doesn’t have to hold hands and go constantly to the bank, post office, and Home Depot with the new GM.

Anonymous said...

Armando didn't take care of things before...he was too busy taking care of Larry. Armando is having to work to keep his job for a change. And as long as he continues to work to keep his job, he can stay. Thank you, Rick!!!

Your Neighbor said...

Re: Armando didn't take.....

Don't think it was a "state secret" that Armando didn't really like spending all that time with LD. An oh so confidential source
has Armando being more of a happy camper now. At least Armando has usually had a smile on his face and been nice - at least to me.

We will continue to watch, wait and see what comes.

Anonymous said...

Just watch it all, the stigma of the "payola" is still with us and some feel AZ, with his contacts and language, may have to answer up some day.

Anonymous said...

It was a sad place when LD was here. Now his friends will be returning soon. Watch out Rick.
I can give you list if you need one. NO I wont , you'll spot them. Watch for the turbulence and head for the hills. They cant be stopped. They are a sneaky bunch forsure. Trust no one!

KD watch out for her, she will suck you in with caring soft voice, NO NO dont look at her eyes. Turn away! Trust no one.

Tree Hugger, One more Time: said...

A-non-e-Moose 9/20 7:41 a.m. : What a sad life you have with no OPTIMISM in it! That being your case,you let L.D. & R.P. WIN!!!
Our new GM has got the size and scope of all the Yo-Yo's that are here or on the way and I DO NOT believe that he is NOT up to doing the job. L.H. is history and I suspect there may be more either "re-aligned" or gone, soon.
With help from all of us, the new GM will have a handle on things by late Fall, and operating from a very strong base, based on accomplishments that are/will be done. You cannot deny SUCCESS!
Get on the wagon, GiterDone!!

Cancel Berry Pools said...

re "the stigma of the "payola" is still with us"

Care to expand on this so others like me will know what you're referring to? Thanks!